Mike Lauria set up an interview with Dr. K. Anders Ericsson, first author of Peak: Secrets from the New Science of Expertise. Dr. Ericsson is a brilliant cognitive psychologist, currently at the Florida State. He has dedicated his career to studying the science of expertise and performance. He was incredibly generous with his time, to the tune of a 2-hour interview. In the podcast below, I excerpted some of the most interesting pieces, but it was all great. If you want to listen to the unedited, full interview I have placed a link below.
10,000 Hour Rule Debunked
How to Deliberately Practice in Diagnostic Medicine
- Get recordings of patient presentations, get people to commit, listen to what an expert would do, and then show what happened.
Full Unedited Interview
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- The Academic Paper on Deliberate_Practice_and_the Acquisition of Expertise by Dr. Ericsson
- Pondering EM did a Two-Parter on Deliberate Practice (Part 1 & Part 2)
- The Path to Insanity
Now on to the Interview…
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Scott Weingart
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Scott, could you create a Book List folder? Maybe add it to your About>>.Favorites? You have referred numerous great books in your podcasts and a repository would be handy. Thanks.
I listened to most of this and thoroughly interesting, but I got the feeling towards the latter part that he didn’t quite ‘get’ the cognitive expertise in EM. I don’t think the parallels with radiology image processing are relevant to EM? It’s just so much more complex, though I think pre-empting issues whether that’s the anaphylaxis that’s about to get worse, or spotting the agitated pt who will require a take down. Also, I think the ‘helicicoptering’ skill as well as the superficial RAT/ triage (some people can’t……) are issues worth exploring.
Also interesting, who gets to call ‘an expert’. As you noted, there ‘were people in the room who were very average clinicians’ (early on you mention this)- but how do we measure expertise? it is a fascinating thing. And does a tough post grad exam make you an expert? Almost certainly not, as there a those with relevant post-nominal that ‘are very average’. However, an exam sets a bar of effort and focus.
Anyway, getting off topic………ADHD
Now there’s something to discuss
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Seeing Dr Ericsson’s name pop up brought back old memories as I took some of his classes back in college and he was a terrific and engaging professor. A small correction though, he is at Florida State University (FSU) and not University of Florida (UF). Two different state universities here and wanted to correct what was above.
thanks Nick!
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