Today I am joined by toxicology master, Leon Gussow to discuss a new quasi-legal class of drugs: Bath Salts. I saw my first OD of this a month ago; despite the drug's name, this patient was neither clean nor pleasantly refreshed. He was violent, agitated, and overheated.
This class of drugs are chemically altered hallucinogenic stimulants. Depending on which chemical is used in the salts, the patient can look like they took meth or ecstasy. They will present with a sympathomimetic toxidrome including hyperadrenergic vitals and profound hyperthermia.
How many folks out there have ever used the Bellevue-style metal tub to immerse these patients in ice baths? Let me know in the comments.
Here is a link to Leon's bath salt article in EM News.
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Duluth Mn has been dealing with the after effects of bath salts and synthetic marijuana for over a year. Some people who have used the bath salts don’t respond to verbal commands, but as soon as you touch them the whole body starts flailing about wildly. Have seen alot of different reactions to these drugs.
Speaking as an Anesthesiologist, I wonder if Dantrolene (the drug we use to treat Malignant Hyperthermia) would be useful in the treatment of the hypermetabolic syndrome associated with Bath Salt intoxication–whatever that stuff is. Dantrolene was useful in a case of hypermetabolic syndrome following Hemicorpectomy at my institution several years ago. At first we thought it was MH, but it soon became clear that is was a hypermetabolic syndrome due to the large scale of the surgery (removal of pelvis and lower extremities below L3 for a pelvic cancer).
Leon responds: Much of the speculation about using dantrolene to treat MDMA (ecstasy) associated hyperthermia has appeared in the anesthesiology literature, and has been based on uncontrolled case reports and unproved notions that the mechanism may be similar to that of malignant hyperthermia. I’m fairly simple-minded, and generally believe in sticking to the basics unless: 1) the basics aren’t working, and 2) there is at least reasonable evidence that a specific antidote might be beneficial. The general management of ecstasy-associated hyperthermia (which we can reasonably generalize to treatment of bath salt intoxication) includes: quickly getting control of the patient and… Read more »
Dr Weingart. We had a case yesterday with a Hyperthermic, Hypotensive, Hypoglycemic, Pco2 60, PH 7.2 Temp 42.1C MDMA OD. Here I thought our in field H20 and icepacks were going to cool this young patient until I saw the ER pack this young guy in ice from head to Etube. His temp came down 2 degrees C but I think your Metal tub Ice bath would have been much more effective after seeing that nothing was really working.
Probably a stupid question, but…
Could you use iced saline like you’d use for therapeutic hypothermia in these PTS? If they are hyperthermic and dehydrated would a litre or two of iced saline cause any harm if it was guided based on the PT’s volume status and used in conjunction w other cooling methods?
definitely
How would you go about it? How many litres of fluid would be safe to give before hypervolemia becomes an issue.
This is a purely theoretical question, but:
Heck, in some of these PTS would therapeutic hypothermia be a good idea due to its neuroprotective effects. Cool them down and wait for their brain to recover from the drugs?
youw ould give fluids as required by pts condition just like normal, just use cold fluid instead of room temp.
perfect, thanks
I have worked with some ED physicians who advise against or suggest a contraindication in the use of haloperidol or droperidol to control combativeness in an affected patient. Their rationale behind this is that it increases the risk of hyperthermia. I have also read some material that specifically lists these as treatment options. What is your opinion?