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EMCrit Lecture – Dominating the Vent: Part II

by emcrit on June 1, 2010

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When I was a resident, every vent lecture either put me to sleep or left me dazed and bewildered. I gave a lecture of that ilk when I started working after fellowship. I had become part of the problem. I decided there must be a way to make vent management more understandable and if not interesting, at least bearable.

This lecture was up on the soon to be defunct EMCrit Lecture site. It offers a path to managing any patient on the ventilator in the ED. I have tried to simplify as much as possible while still maintaining an evidence-based approach.

This is Part II, it deals with the obstructive strategy. Last week, we spoke about the strategy for patients with  lung injury.

Your goal with these patients is to let them have adequate time to breathe out.

There are only 4 things you need to remember for an obstructive patient

Vt (Tidal Volume) = 8 ml/kg, don’t mess with it

Flow Rate = shorter insp times, 80-100 lpm

Resp Rate = Lung protection, start at 10 work your way down if necessary

FiO2/PEEP = Oxygenation, should need much O2 (40%)m I recommend PEEP of 0, but certainly keep it less than 5

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Richard Chang June 8, 2010 at 09:54

Hey Scott,

Great lecture, I liked the format.

One question- do you paralyze all your intubated asthmatics? Theoretically this should decrease metabolic demand and lower CO2 production, but I haven’t found any data on this.

Thanks,
Rich Chang
Hennepin C0unty Medical Center

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emcrit June 8, 2010 at 11:22

Rich,

Thanks.
I don’t ever paralyze, but I sedate and analgeze the heck out of the asthmatic patient to the point where there is no spontaneous breathing and they are essentially rock-like. This has all the advantages of paralysis and none of the problems.

scott

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Sherly Dehdashtian June 13, 2010 at 22:31

Very helpful lecture.

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emcrit June 14, 2010 at 00:29

Thanks, Sherly!

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Thomas Ton February 28, 2012 at 12:10

Thanks Scott for the great lecture. I just have a question regarding deadspace. Like you stated, Va for a normal CO2 when not intubated is 60cc/kg/min and double that for intubated patients. What if the patient is not intubated but trached instead? Does it matter if I use 120cc/kg/min to include the ventilator tubing/circuit deadspace? Please advise. Also, I would love to hear your explanation for not using PEEP in COPD patients? Besides decreased venous return and increased in intrathoracic pressure, are there any other reasons?

Keep up the great work.

Tom

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