EMCrit Podcast 21 – A Bad Sedation Package Leaves your Patient Trapped in a Nightmare

Pushing some ativan followed by vecuronium is no longer an acceptable strategy to manage post-intubation sedation. A good analgesia and sedation package is essential if you care about your patient’s comfort and well-being. We need to move to PAIN-FIRST paradigm. Optimize analgesia and then add in sedative agents as a bonus. In this episode of the EMCrit Podcast, I expand on a previous rant to discuss the optimal way to handle routine post-intubation patients and some special scenarios you may encounter.

The Routine

Here is the Lancet Article I mentioned:

(A protocol of no sedation for critically ill patients receiving mechanical ventilation: a randomised trial)

Post-Intubation patients are in pain b/c they have a piece of rigid plastic jammed down their throats and b/c we do a lot of evil-seeming stuff to them in the ED.

Give them a bolus of fentanyl or morphine as soon as you complete the intubation (or better yet, with your RSI drugs)

Fentanyl Protocol
Morphine Protocol

Only when you have a calm, relaxed, but fully awake patient, add on a touch of sedative for hypnosis, amnesia, and anxiolysis.

Use a sedation scale like RASS.

Special Scenarios

1. Hypotensive Medical Patient-the patient’s blood pressure is never too low to get adequate pain control and sedation. Start them on a pressor and give them comfort. Fentanyl/versed is probably a good combination. Maybe in the future ketamine/versed.

2. Delerium Tremens-these patients need GABA first. My patients have already received 200-400 mg of diazepam before getting intubated so more benzos will probably not help. Use propofol/fentanyl. If propofol is not available, use versed/fentanyl/phenobarbital. Here is a DT protocol that encompasses phenobarb. Also see my DT Podcast.

3. Neurocritically Ill Patients-aka the head bleeds. This one is for Mike, a flight medic. Fentanyl/propofol is the way to go for these patients. Take them deep during the first 24 hours or so. Treat pain and sedation needs first, before add anti-hypertensives; their blood pressure may come down when you treat their pain. If you are transferring these patients, have a very low threshold to intubate, leaving them on propofol/fentanyl. WHen the receiving hospital gets the patient, they can easily extubate them if you used these medications.

Here is my extubation article.

4. Hypotensive Trauma Patients-this pertains to trauma patients hypotensive because of hemorrhagic shock.  I get a bunch of ketamine and a bunch of fentanyl. If their MAP > 65 then I give 25 mcg of fentanyl. Wait a couple of minutes and if still > 65, give some more. If their MAP < 65, I give 10-15 mg of ketamine. Keep going with this until your patient looks good.

Additional References:

Payen JF, Chanques G, Mantz J, Hercule C, Auriant I, Leguillou JL, Binhas M, Genty C, Rolland C, Bosson JL. Current practices in sedation and analgesia for mechanically ventilated critically ill patients: a prospective multicenter patient-based study. Anesthesiology 2007; 106: 687–95.

Rozendaal FW, Spronk PE, Snellen FF, Schoen A, van Zanten AR, Foudraine NA, Mulder PGH, Bakker J. Remifentanil-propofol analgo-sedation shortens duration of ventilation and length of ICU stay compared to a conventional regimen: a centre randomised, cross-over, open-label study in the Netherlands. Intensive Care Med 2009; 35: 291–8.

Gelinas C, Johnston C. Pain assessment in the critically ill ventilated adult: validation of the Critical-Care Pain Observation Tool and physiologic indicators. Clin J Pain 2007; 23: 497–505.

Gelinas C. Management of pain in cardiac surgery ICU patients: have we improved over time? Intensive Crit Care Nurs 2007; 23: 298–303.

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Comments

  1. Mohd Anizan Aziz says:

    Dear Scott,

    Very remarkable stuff you did out there sir,

    I heartily agree with you pertaining to extubating patient in ED. In place where I come from (Malaysia), We are definitely comfortable in intubation, but when it comes to extubation we tend to leave the headache to someone else. One of anest friends made a remark, that you guys are really quick in jamming tube to patient but when it comes to extubation, you leave the mess to us.

    For your info sir, I tend to believe that not many of ED practioners in this country comfortable with idea of extubation in ED.
    But If we were given enough training to do so, the trend will be changing.

    I a great fan of your podcast, and this idea of extubation in ED serves as an opener to me.

    Marvelous lecture pertaining to the management of post intubation sedation that you are given to us here sir. All the drugs that you have mentioned including the precedex are available in most hospital in this country. Availability in Ed though is another story. I believe, if there are effort to get accustom and to get familiar with the use of the drugs that you have mentioned, god willing it will be made available in ED soon.

    Cant wait to listen you future podcast.

    Thank you

    MOHD

    • Mohd,

      Thanks for your comments! ED extubation is a new frontier here in the states as well; hopefully that will change in the next few years.

      Scott

  2. Sean Marshall says:

    Scott,
    I’m listening to this podcast for a second time and I think it is very smart. I am wondering if you have any objective criteria of when you are happy with pain control and move on to a sedative. Do you aim for a RASS target with your fentanyl alone? I didn’t think RASS would be specific enough for physiologic signs of pain. I notice that there are tools similar to RASS which look at pain specifically such as CPOT but it looks a little less user friendly than RASS and I think using multiple overlapping tools would be cumbersome.

    I would also like to get your take on Freire AX. Crit Care Med.2002;30(11):2468. It seems to suggest that adding an analgesic infusion tends to commit the patient to increased monitoring and longer ICU stay. I’m not sure I buy this if drugs are titrated to a target.

    Thanks for all the great info.
    Cheers,
    Sean

  3. Gord Hannis, ER RN says:

    Dear Scott,

    I recently discovered EMCRIT, and I LOVE your podcasts! I am an Emerg RN in British Columbia, and will heartily recommend the podcasts to my colleagues, nurses and docs.

    We always give prophylactic Dimenhydrinate (Gravol) before Morphine for acute pain management- however I’ve never seen anyone give Gravol post-intubation, before we hang the usual M&M infusion (Morph & Midaz).

    Do you think it’s worth adding an antihistamine/anti-emetic to your post-intubation sedation package?

    Best regards, Gord Hannis, ER RN

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