[PLEASE NOTE: For the most complete & updated material on alcohol withdrawal, please see the Internet Book of Critical Care Chapter on this topic here]
Currently there is a lorazepam shortage in the United States. This has caused a surge of interest into using phenobarbital to manage alcohol withdrawal. I've received several e-mails over the past few weeks about this. It's been two years since my last post about phenobarbital, so here's an update focusing on lessons learned in the interim.
Background: Why use phenobarbital monotherapy?
https://twitter.com/docpro89/status/936657147009601537
This has been explored in more detail previously. To summarize:
- Superior neurochemistry: Alcohol withdrawal involves deficient inhibitory GABA-receptor activity as well as excessive stimulatory NMDA-receptor activity. Benzodiazepines only affect GABA receptors, not NMDA receptors. In comparison, phenobarbital stimulates GABA receptors and inhibits
NMDA receptors(1). [Erratum- phenobarbital affects AMPA-type glutamate receptors, not NMDA-type glutamate receptors – Thanks to Meghan Spyres for pointing this out. Clinical implications are the same.]. - Reliable efficacy: A small subset of patients fail to respond to benzodiazepines (Hack 2006). Phenobarbital is effective in such patients, possibly because of superior neurochemistry.
- Predictable efficacy: Phenobarbital is effective at a cumulative dose of roughly 10-20 mg/kg. Compare this to benzodiazepines, where the effective dose varies enormously (e.g. some patients respond to 40 mg diazepam, whereas others may require 400 mg). Predictable efficacy helps you know when to stop giving more medication (more on this later on).
- Predictable pharmacokinetics: If you keep track of the cumulative dose of phenobarbital administered, the blood level can be easily predicted (and vice versa). This makes it easy to understand how much drug the patient has on board.
- Wide therapeutic index: Phenobarbital is effective for alcohol withdrawal at a dose of ~10-20 mg/kg (corresponding to a blood level of ~12-25 ug/mL). Severe toxicity (stupor/coma requiring intubation) shouldn't occur below a blood level of ~65 ug/mL if other sedatives aren't on board. This should provide a good margin of safety.
- Avoidance of intubation: There is often fear about respiratory suppression when using phenobarbital. However, when dosed appropriately in a patient who genuinely has alcohol withdrawal, the risk of respiratory suppression is minimal (because of #4 & #5). As explored further below, phenobarbital may reduce intubation risk.
- No paradoxical reactions: Some patients exposed to benzodiazepine or propofol will experience paradoxical agitation. This is more common in alcoholics, possibly explaining why some patients with alcohol withdrawal respond poorly to benzodiazepines. Paradoxical reactions don't seem to occur with phenobarbital.
- Sustained efficacy: Once you achieve a therapeutic phenobarbital level, patients generally do well. Phenobarbital will gradually taper itself off over several days (its half-life is ~80 hours). Patients might need a tad more phenobarbital, but they shouldn't suddenly deteriorate.
- Excellent anti-seizure efficacy: Barbiturates are the most effective anti-epileptic agents available (e.g., they can reliably break super-refractory status epilepticus). A phenobarbital-based strategy provides good protection against alcohol withdrawal seizures.
- Simplicity: Benzodiazepines don't always work, so benzodiazepine-based protocols must involve several medications (e.g. benzodiazepine, phenobarbital, propofol). In contrast, monotherapy with phenobarbital makes things simple. All you need to do is titrate up the patient's phenobarbital level to a therapeutic level. There is no polypharmacy, drug interaction, or confusion about which agent to choose.
- Single drug in IV, IM, and PO formulation: My preference is to give phenobarbital intravenously, to see the clinical effect rapidly and facilitate prompt dose-titration. However, phenobarbital can also be given intramuscularly and orally with excellent absorption. Multiple formulations provides flexibility (e.g. you can load with IV phenobarbital in the ED/ICU, then use PO phenobarbital for additional therapy on the ward).
- Benzodiazepines add nothing to phenobarbital. Adding benzodiazepine to phenobarbital probably doesn't improve efficacy. However, benzodiazepines may reduce the toxic level of phenobarbital – making it harder to dose phenobarbital safely (2).
Overall experience with phenobarbital monotherapy
Although phenobarbital monotherapy is perceived as a new intervention, it's actually an extremely old intervention. Barbiturate monotherapy was used as front-line therapy for alcohol withdrawal for the majority of the twentieth century in some European countries. Old studies comparing the two interventions suggest that barbiturates were equivalent or superior compared to benzodiazepines (Hjermo 2010, Kramp 1978). What's old is new again: currently, some centers are moving (back) to phenobarbital monotherapy.
Beth-Israel Deaconess (Harvard)
This study is available only as an abstract from the 2016 Society of Critical Care Medicine conference:
Further discussion of this study must await complete publication. However, the results are exciting. A preliminary data slide from the 2017 ASHP conference a few weeks ago suggests a reduced rate of intubation while using phenobarbital (3):
Preliminary data by Marshall and colleagues shows 10 mg/kg phenobarb is safe and effective for reducing complications of EtOH withdrawal https://t.co/iVlto3VLRW #ASHP17 pic.twitter.com/x5t3btd4Ay
— Kyle DeWitt (@EmergPharm) December 6, 2017
Genius General Hospital
For about two years, phenobarbital has been a front-line therapy for severe alcohol withdrawal within two ICUs in the Genius General Intergalactic Hospital Network. One of these ICUs is staffed by intensivists, while the other is staffed by hospitalists (who communicate regularly with the mothership via telemedicine).
Although we haven't formally studied this, it seems to work very well (similar to the Beth Israel data above). Symptoms can generally be controlled within several hours, with a low rate of recurrence. Patients with pure alcohol withdrawal don't require intubation, although intubation may be needed in patients with multiple active problems (e.g. pneumonia complicated by withdrawal). The phenomenon of the patients with alcohol withdrawal who linger in the ICU for days on a potpourri of sedative infusions has disappeared.
The remainder of this post will focus on some pitfalls that have been encountered using phenobarbital, and how they may be resolved. However, bear in mind that our overall experience with phenobarbital has been quite positive.
Pitfall #1 with phenobarbital: Looping paradox
The looping paradox is most common when using benzodiazepines to treat alcohol withdrawal. Benzodiazepines can treat alcohol withdrawal, but they also can cause delirium. This often creates a very confusing picture on hospital day #2-3 if the patient remains delirious:
- If the patient is continuing to suffer from alcohol withdrawal, then additional benzodiazepine is needed. In this case, giving an antipsychotic (e.g. haloperidol) is relatively contraindicated, because it would fail to treat the underlying withdrawal.
- If the patient is suffering from benzodiazepine-induced delirium, then additional benzodiazepine is harmful. In this case, small doses of haloperidol would be beneficial.
In practice, numerous patients wind up receiving excessive benzodiazepine, leading to a state of benzodiazepine-induced delirium. This pitfall was demonstrated by a case series of patients with prolonged delirium who improved following administration of flumazenil (thereby diagnosing iatrogenic benzodiazepine poisoning)(Moore 2014). Flumazenil isn't recommended due to the risk of seizure, but this study proves the concept that patients often wind up in a loop of excessive benzodiazepine administration.
The looping paradox seems to be much less problematic when using phenobarbital, because phenobarbital causes less delirium and paradoxical agitation compared to benzodiazepines. Nonetheless, occasional patients can recieve excess sedation even when using phenobarbital:
- More common cause of excessive dosing: If patients have multi-factorial delirium (e.g. delirium due to alcohol withdrawal plus sepsis), then they may remain delirious even after receiving a therapeutic dose of phenobarbital. If residual delirium is misinterpreted as an indication to give more phenobarbital, they will receive excessive doses of phenobarbital.
- Rarely: Some patients enjoy the effect of IV phenobarbital and feign symptoms of withdrawal in order to continue receiving more phenobarbital.
No patient at Genius General has suffered from harm due to excess phenobarbital (the use of small PRN doses at a fixed rate makes it nearly impossible to push a patient into a dangerously stuporous/comatose state). However, in retrospect it does seem like occasional patients probably received a bit more phenobarbital than they may have absolutely required.
Solution to the looping paradox
When using phenobarbital, patients who are receiving unnecessarily high doses may be identified on the following basis:
- Total cumulative dose of phenobarbital >20 mg/kg should raise concern. The literature is contradictory regarding exactly how much phenobarbital is required to treat alcohol withdrawal. Ives 1991 reported success using a fixed dose of 15 mg/kg. However, reports from Denmark document the use of much greater doses (e.g. Hjermo 2010 described using an average cumulative dose of 3,000 mg). Overall, it seems that most patients will respond to a dose of ~15 mg/kg, but occasional patients might require more.
- Aberrant pattern of phenobarbital use. Patients generally require the greatest doses on the first day, with rapidly decreasing requirements thereafter. If a patient is receiving substantial doses of phenobarbital day after day, this suggests a problem other than simple alcohol withdrawal.
- Failure to respond to PRN doses. 130-260 mg IV phenobarbital alone doesn't always have a huge effect, but it usually causes some improvement. If the patient is obtaining no clinical improvement despite ongoing PRN dosing, this should cause reconsideration of the diagnosis.
The presence of these features should trigger re-evaluation for another concurrent cause of delirium (e.g. fluoroquinolone-induced antibiomania, personality/psychiatric disorder, head trauma, CNS infection). After treatment with >20 mg/kg phenobarbital, alcohol withdrawal has probably been treated adequately. Whatever symptoms remain are likely due to another problem. Thus, phenobarbital should probably be stopped and remaining agitation may be treated with PRN antipsychotics (e.g. haloperidol or olanzapine).
Pitfall #2 with phenobarbital: Extremely agitated patient
Occasionally an extremely agitated patient is encountered. This seems to occur especially following the administration of benzodiazepines, which may cause paradoxical agitation and exacerbate delirium. Severe agitation cannot be immediately treated with phenobarbital, because phenobarbital must to be given at a controlled rate.
A reasonable strategy here is to use a dexmedetomidine infusion along with phenobarbital. Dexmedetomidine helps achieve rapid immediate sedation. As phenobarbital is administered, the dexmedetomidine is weaned off. The goal is to discontinue dexmedetomidine within 8-12 hours, with transition to phenobarbital monotherapy.
Overall, dexmedetomidine isn't a great drug for alcohol withdrawal for several reasons:
- Doesn't reduce seizure risk
- Doesn't treat underlying problem (GABA hypoactivity & NMDA hyperactivity)
- Not a durable solution to the problem (even if patient responds beautifully to dexmedetomidine, this doesn't get you anywhere – the patient cannot leave the ICU or go home on a dexmedetomidine infusion)
Nonetheless, this is one situation where dexmedetomidine is useful as an adjunctive agent to temporize matters. The goal of this scheme is to achieve for behavioral control and phenobarbital titration without requiring intubation (which would otherwise frequently be required in these highly agitated patients).
Pitfall #3 with phenobarbital: Logistics of drug delivery
A common problem when using phenobarbital is delay in delivering the drug from the pharmacy to the bedside. Phenobarbital titration may involve PRN doses given as frequently as every 30 minutes. Some pharmacies will formulate this within individually mixed mini-bags (e.g. 130-260 mg phenobarbital within 100 ml normal saline). Using individual mini-bags makes it sluggish to achieve phenobarbital titration, because the pharmacy often takes 45-60 minutes to deliver each mini-bag. This problem can be overcome using a variety of solutions:
- Avoid giving patients benzodiazepines, but instead initiate treatment using a 10 mg/kg phenobarbital load up-front (previously discussed here). Starting with front-loaded 10 mg/kg phenobarbital will typically cause a substantial improvement in symptoms within an hour, allowing further dose-titration to occur at a more leisurely rate.
- Stock individual vials of phenobarbital at the point of care. These can be drawn up at the bedside and pushed over 5 minutes as needed.
- Order more phenobarbital from pharmacy than is immediately needed (e.g. 500 mg), then only administer half or a quarter of it at a time.
Parting shot & future directions
It has been said that alcoholics exist to teach physicians humility. These patients are quite complicated, often suffering from several problems simultaneously (e.g., withdrawal, nutritional deficiencies, trauma, infection, psychiatric problems). Arguably the most important task when treating alcohol withdrawal is exclusion of alternative or superimposed problems. Phenobarbital obviously cannot be expected to solve every problem that may exist in an alcoholic patient.
Phenobarbital does, however, appear to be a uniquely effective and safe treatment for alcohol withdrawal (including withdrawal seizures and delirium tremens). Several reasons for the superiority of phenobarbital are listed above. Preliminary evidence suggests that these do indeed translate into meaningful clinical benefit (e.g. faster recovery, fewer complications).
The true power and beauty of phenobarbital emerges when it is used as monotherapy. In my opinion, adding a benzodiazepine to phenobarbital brings nothing to the table other than confusion and toxicity. When used in isolation, phenobarbital has predictable pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics, which allow for rapid achievement of a therapeutic level and confident avoidance of toxicity (2). Unfortunately, addition of a benzodiazepine muddies up the relationship between the phenobarbital level and respiratory suppression. The conventional practice of starting with a benzodiazepine and adding phenobarbital for refractory symptoms is thus misguided, preventing the optimal use of phenobarbital.
- Phenobarbital monotherapy has numerous advantages compared to benzodiazepines. Emerging evidence suggests that translates into meaningful clinical benefit.
- If 15 mg/kg phenobarbital fails to achieve clinical resolution, this suggests that the patient may have another problem in addition to alcohol withdrawal. Alternative causes of delirium should be explored.
- For severely agitated patients, dexmedetomidine can be useful initially to gain behavioral control. However, phenobarbital should be rapidly up-titrated to treat the underlying disorder and avoid seizure.
- An updated approach to phenobarbital use is suggested (figure below).
- If you work at a center that is using lorazepam for alcohol withdrawal, the current shortage of lorazepam isn't a threat – it's an opportunity to move to a superior therapy.
Related
- PulmCrit phenobarbital series:
- Phenobarbital in Alcohol Withdrawal (CoreEM)
[PLEASE NOTE: For the most complete & updated material on alcohol withdrawal, please see the Internet Book of Critical Care Chapter on this topic here]
Notes
- There is another reason that phenobarbital may be more powerful than benzodiazepines. Benzodiazepines increase the duration of GABA channel opening, but barbiturates can open the GABA channel by themselves. In a brain with very little endogenous GABA, this could make barbiturates more effective (because benzodiazepines need some endogenous GABA to work, whereas barbiturates don't).
- For example, in the absence of any other medications 10 mg/kg of phenobarbital will achieve a serum level of ~13 ug/ml. This is below the therapeutic level of phenobarbital in epilepsy (which is 15-40 ug/mL), which should be quite safe – especially in an alcoholic with hyperarousal. This allows you to get a lot of phenobarbital (10 mg/kg) on board rapidly, in a safe fashion. However, in the presence of benzodiazepines it is possible that a phenobarbital level of 13 ug/mL might cause synergistic toxicity, so you lose the ability to rapidly load the patient with phenobarbital. Phenobarbital has a very attractive therapeutic index when used as monotherapy (therapeutic level of roughly 15-25 ug/mL, severe toxicity starts to occur >65 ug/mL) – but this index may not be reliable in the face of benzodiazepine use.
- This is a before/after study design (i.e. comparing historical controls to patients treated after design of a phenobarbital-based treatment protocol). As such, it cannot prove causality (due to, for example, confounding from the Hawthorne effect). Nonetheless, it demonstrates that introduction of a phenobarbital-based protocol in a major academic center can improve outcomes.
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Did you come across any data on phenobarb in mild-moderate alcohol withdrawal? Not exactly your clinical realm, but it would be nice to have a drug that works well for all alcohol withdrawal patients in the ED. I typically use Valium. Works for admitted patients and those that can eventually go home
Phenobarbital should work fine for mild-moderate withdrawal. For example, Rosenson utilized phenobarbital in the ED with a goal of avoiding ICU admission (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22999778). I often use phenobarbital among ICU patients admitted for some other primary problem (e.g. pneumonia, COPD etc) who develop mild-moderate withdrawal. There is some literature regarding giving patients phenobarbital and discharging them home from the ED (e.g. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20825805). This has some advantages because the drug will wear off very gradually and doesn’t require re-dosing (e.g., you’re not sending them home with a bottle of chlordiazepoxide). There is a theoretical risk that if the patient resumed drinking they… Read more »
I have experience using phenobarbital after reaching 200mg of diazepam for DTs, but never as mono therapy. I will definitely try this out going forward, as I have been quite frustrated with several cases of delirium persisting for many days despite seemingly adequate dosing of benzos and frequently precedex. The finding of decreased intubation rates is especially exciting as MV for DTs seems to me to be all potential harm with no benefit. Has this strategy been adopted by your shops emergency department as well? Thanks for the great posts.
Thanks. Adoption of this strategy in the ED is variable. As with any condition, it would be ideal for the ED, ICU, and wards to utilize a similar strategy in order to facilitate seamless transitions between different areas. However, achieving this is difficult. Indeed, achieving consistent practice even within one of these locations (e.g. simply within the ICU) is challenging.
Hey Josh. Great article. Couple of questions. Why do you think we dropped phenobarbital in the first place? Interested in all things cognitive vs fashion. Secondly is it safer to just allow them alcohol?? Thanks, from a chilly Edinburgh
a) Not entirely sure. I think this might relate to marketing of lorazepam as the latest-greatest medication when it came out. Unfortunately the transition from barbiturates to benzodiazepines occurred in the pre-EBM era, so nobody demanded any high-quality evidence that benzodiazepines were better than barbiturates. This is actually a great example of why we need EBM – otherwise huge changes occur due to fashion and then eventually become locked in as “standard of care.” b) Potentially, alcohol might be safer in some situations than any pharmaceutical (benzo/barbiturate/etc). For a patient who is admitted for some non-EtOH related reason who has… Read more »
Hey Josh. Thanks for reply. Kinda what I thought too. I’m a UK Consultant in EM, ICM and Pre Hospital and Retrieval Medicine but a few years ago my wife told me to give up one (was trying to do all 3 incl on calls) so gave up EM. Currently mostly general ICU incl ECLS and PHARM a few days a month. I still miss the days when wards could stock and I could prescribe a shot of whisky a night. Probably considered unethical these days!
Oops thought Josh’s post was asking what’s my job. Doh
yep, I would favor hospitals stocking alcohol for this reason and also for palliative care. Would be nice to have a good Vermont microbrew on tap to offer our comfort care patients. Personally I don’t see anything unethical about this, but I just work here.
On your original post, a tox-trained pharmacist had asked for clarification regarding the NMDA antagonism of phenobarbital, as he was unaware of this being a mechanism of action. I am med-tox trained and also unaware of any clinically significant NMDA antagonism from phenobarbital. I didn’t see a response to his comment, can you clarify? I love phenobarbital as an adjunct for EtOH w/d and agree it is underutilized, but I don’t believe it has true NMDA antagonism. Thanks
Thanks, you’re right – phenobarbital inhibits the AMPA/kainate-type glutamate receptors, not the NMDA-type glutamate receptors (https://www.epilepsysociety.org.uk/sites/default/files/attachments/Chapter25Sills2015.pdf). The clinical implications are the same: phenobarbital affects a broader profile of receptors in order to affect both the GABA and glutamate systems in the brain. By affecting two of the most important neurotransmitter systems, phenobarbital has a more powerful effect than benzodiazepines. I also wonder if phenobarbital somehow has a more *balanced* inhibitory effect on the brain than benzodiazepines, by exerting inhibition at a broader range of locations/neurons (perhaps explaining the lack of paradoxical agitation?). The mechanism of phenobarbital is probably much more… Read more »
Yes, I had seen reference to AMPA receptor action, thanks for the clarification in your post. I’m just not sure that the glutamate antagonism is as clinically significant as billed here. The first summary article listed here reports that glutamate receptors are a “possible target” of phenobarbital, and the second reports that phenobarbital has some glutamate antagonism at antiepileptic doses, which I typically consider to be 20 mg/kg. Regardless, I do love phenobarbital, and very much agree that it is underutilized in EtOH withdrawal. I would just hesitate to highlight a main receptor effect as glutamate antagonism when it seems… Read more »
Yes, the logistics can get tricky. For very symptomatic patients I may occasionally use a bolus of ketamine or dexmedetomidine infusion as a bridge until the phenobarbital arrives.
My bias is that a lot of the patients who are super-symptomatic are patients who arrive with moderate symptoms, get some benzodiazepine and have a paradoxical/disinhibition reaction which makes them worse. Thus, the highly symptomatic patient may be less common than one would imagine if you cut benzodiazepines out of the mix entirely.
Josh, Great article. I have changed my practice in the last few years after reading the paper published by Rosensen in the Journal of EM where they blinded people to placebo or phenobarb then usual lorazepam CIWA based dosing thereafter with good effect. It has completely changed the practice of withdrawal for me personally and reduced significantly the complication and ICU admission rate dramatically. Anecdotally, I have not seen an increase in over-dose related side effect if using a diazepam (not lorazepam) symptom triggered infusion protocol. I think phenobarb monotherapy will be hard to implement as institutional policy for a… Read more »
Glad to hear about your experience with phenobarb. That first 10 mg/kg loading dose really takes the edge off and makes things much better. I agree that if you keep the phenobarb dose capped to 10 mg/kg you would be fine with a PRN diazepam strategy on top of that. Yeah, there is some resistance to phenobarbital monotherapy. The barbiturate class is intimidating, because it makes people think about pentobarb comas and executions using thiopental. The first few times this is done it is a bit scary and folks are nervous, as I’m sure you’ve already seen with 10 mg/kg… Read more »
1St question. Would giving ketamine to the severely agitated patient also make the proposed above phenobarbital monotherapy…ineffective.? I have easier access to ketamine than precedex. 2nd question. Had a busy shift. Alcoholic frequent flyer climbing out of bed agitated at ed triage. Given Ativan 2mg im. Found etoh level of 476. I finally got caught up with patients. When I tried to wake him up. Almost 10hrs after initial etoh level known. Had ciwa..score of 8. Gave librium 150mg po. Less than 1.5 hr later hr rose from 94 to 120s. Tongue and hands tremulous. Ciwa score of 16 now.… Read more »
Yeah, these patients can be very complicated. I think you could theoretically use ketamine for acute behavioral control and then give phenobarbital. The phenobarbital dose could be started as the ketamine was wearing off, which should prevent emergence symptoms (similar to a benzodiazepine). This is completely theoretical though – I’ve never done this nor am I aware of evidence supporting it.
Josh – Great update! A couple of years ago we tried to implement a Phenobarb only protocol for our patients who had a history of severe withdrawal with the purpose of starting phenobarb early on, before patients received a bunch of benzos and failed. In the few instances where we accomplished this it worked great! Problem is, at our teaching hospital, nobody is willing to admit a patient to the MICU for phenobarb loading when they are still looking okay in the ED and before they fail benzos. I agree with you that phenobarb is much better/safer as monotherapy than… Read more »
Thanks for sharing your experience, mine has been similar – with experience people grow to like phenobarbital. My preference is to use phenobarbital on all alcohol withdrawal patients. The main factor which I use in determining whether to use it is how sure I am about the diagnosis. If it’s unclear exactly what is going on (e.g. withdrawal vs. hepatic encephalopathy vs. ICU psychosis), then giving a lot of long-acting drug might get you into trouble. For patients with a history of withdrawal seizures or intubation, I’m worried about complicated withdrawal and more keen on using phenobarb. In practice I’m… Read more »
Thanks for all the great posts. We have had great success with phenobarbital, however usually if used up front and not as a “salvage” therapy for those failing benzo (probably because it’s no longer ETOH w/drawal). We use a PAWSS assessment tool to help screen patients for severe ETOH w/drawal. Have you utilized this or any other screening modality?
Hi Josh, Great article! I used to work in a surgical/shock/trauma ICU where many of our patients had a traumatic accident because of their alcoholism that required intubation and sedation. Based on this, I have two questions: 1. If you knew that someone had a history with alcohol or was clearly a professional based on lab values, could you give the 10-20 mg/kg load safely as a preemptive measure if you were not sure that they would withdrawal but had a reasonable suspicion? 2. Would the addition of Fentanyl and Propofol drips (the sedation of choice in that unit if… Read more »
Great questions. I do give 10 mg/kg phenobarbital in some situations which are outside the standard EtOH withdrawal paradigm: (1) DT prophylaxis in the un-intubated patient: If a patient presents to the ICU for another reason (e.g. MI) and gives a clear history of alcohol use up until admission it’s reasonable to give 10 mg/kg phenobarbital to prevent withdrawal. It’s best to restrict prophylactic use to patients who are awake, alert, and don’t have other active neurologic issues (otherwise you could muddy the waters and create a confusing situation). You will be surprised by how little effect the phenobarb has… Read more »
(May have missed this somewhere already so apologies if repetitive) given that phenobarb is ideal as monotherapy, what is your opinion on the patient that arrives to the ICU already HEAVILY front-loaded with benzos? Would you feel comfortable tapering off the benzos while slowly titrating up on phenobarb? Running into this situation rather frequently; the idea of a heavily-benzo-d patient seems to spark too much fear of respiratory depression… wondering how to approach this transition.
yep, my approach here is:
1. Stop all benzos
2. Phenobarb 130 mg IV q30 min prn agitation or withdrawal sx.
As long as you’re using small doses of phenobarbital and not stacking the doses (e.g. give one dose – reassess – give another dose etc), you shouldn’t push the patient into a dangerously stuporous state. Over time the benzos wear off and the patient’s phenobarb dose accumulates – and you’re golden. Of course, this strategy takes a lot longer than simply front-loading with 10 mg/kg phenobarbital.
Josh
I am a pulm CCM doc at a community hospital in Virginia. I have shared your article with docs, nurses and pharmacy. Changing culture is hard but we have had some good success with phenobarb. Thank you for your well researched and well written articles
Josh
We are really struggling with a recent pt. He got benzos on floor before he came into the ICU. Once in ICU I gave 10 mg/kg phenobarb started precedex.
We then put on maintenance of 130 phenobarb q8. We are having a hard time weaning the precedex
The ICU pharmacists suggested we get a phenobarb level which I ordered.
QUESTION: Do you ever get phenobarb levels and can it be used to guide management?
Thanks for your time and thoughts
Hi Josh. Fabulous article. Am I correct in detecting an implication that PB ‘s long half life obviates the need for a taper? It seems that in your clinical experience patients can be stabilized in the first day or so with a 10mg/kg load plus PRNs amounting to less than 20mg/kg. If, however, you were to gradually taper down this dose over a period of 4 or 5 days (as you might for a BZD taper) you surely would quickly go over the maximum total dose you recommend. Would appreciate your clarification. Cheers, Simon.
Has this study been published?
Where exactly is the 20 mg/kg dosing ceiling coming from? I’ve spent most of my 12 hour shift sifting through literature trying to track it down and have been unsuccessful. It isn’t referenced in the text.
Dr.Farkas, excellent article. I am a “toddler” hospitalist and a big enthusiast to change “Ativan for alcohol withdrawal policy” in our rural hospital. Currently,I have a patient on service with history of DTs from alcohol withdrawal who is on phenobarbital and he is calm and awake, in comparison to; barely responsive, drooling and still receiving Ativan for CIWA scoring what I observed previously in our hospital. Biggest question I have is what do you use for intubated patient(for other medical reasons) but with history of withdrawal in the past. out intensivist is still using Ativan PRN in combination with Propofol… Read more »
can you specify if weight based dose is actual weigh(i’m assuming this is the case)t vs ideal body weight?