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Scott Weingart, MD FCCM. EMCrit Wee – The Vortex Approach. EMCrit Blog. Published on March 28, 2013. Accessed on February 4th 2023. Available at [https://emcrit.org/emcrit/vortex-approach/ ].
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Vortex. It works. It’s simple. It beautiful. Now I have to own up to a conflict of interests here; I’m in love with Peter Fritz. We’ve worked together on and off for 14 years and I was lucky enough to attend one of his early Vortex training days while working for Adult Retrieval Victoria. (With @PreHospitalPro & friends.) For me the crucial difference is that it’s not telling you how to do these things but when to move on; the lessons of NAP 4 in a visual cognitive aid. It’s the best way to describe what I try to do.… Read more »
Damn! I want you to write all of my advertising copy; you have missed your calling. I want a VORTEX HAT; I WANT A VORTEX HAT!
Vortex Hat;
It’s going to go viral!
(or at least mycobacterial.)
Scott, I’m glad you have the fashion sense to see the potential of the Vortex hat.
I’ll try and explain it to Nicholas.
And I’ll spruik your stuff any day of the week just for the joy of it!
Hoorah!
Doug, definitely up for a chat over wine. Same style of catch up @emcrit & I indulged in in NYC! We all love @pzfritz. What exactly would the hats do??
The Vortex Hat. What does it actually do? 1. It makes you look extremely cool. 2. It makes you look like a complete idiot. 3. By having the vortex closer to the brain the concept will seep in across the skull and lives will be saved. (Studies suggest results vary with baldness.) 4. If its very sharp at the tip Minh Le Cong will fashion a surgical airway with it or at least do so with one of our Mannikins at the Royal Flying Doctor Service. The Vortex is a Cognitive aid. It’s a fantastic piece of work. It’s a… Read more »
Great pitch. You sold me! I’m in.
true indeed.
I dont think u can fashion the ASA Difficult airway algo into a hat
😉
Doug I think you make some really important points: Firstly that the Vortex approach is goal rather than technique directed. This is part of what gives it its context independence. It also allows clinicians to use the techniques that work for them in the particular situation facing them which I think will improve adherence to the approach in a crisis. Secondly, the comment you make that the Vortex describes what you already do (or at least think you SHOULD do – that’s not always what we end up doing under pressure!) when faced with an airway crisis, is a common… Read more »
Hi Nick or Peter, I love the versatility and conceptual approach of your technique, as you said it remains independent of context but rather skill and goal oriented. Question though : 1) Inspite of context independence, if you anticipate a difficult airaway – obese, hypoxic ( 02 90), pneumonia septic patient in which I find the DSI technique useful – how do I apply the vortex technique? Is it still applicable? or do I simply marry the two techniques ? Because if I cant intubate this patient after induction, and assuming the CPAP and high flow nasal prongs ( in… Read more »
Kim,
DSI and CPAP Preox all precede vortex. You enter the vortex after induction or after relaxant adminsitration in the case of DSI. Before then you remain in the green zone.
Hi Kim, It is just as Scott said. You are in the GZ before you induce the patient and at any point after that where you can confirm alveolar oxygen delivery (AOD). Otherwise you are in the funnel of the Vortex. Our airway safety lines video (under AIRWAY at clinicalcred.com) might give you a clearer idea of how the NODESAT priniciples fit in with the Vortex. In the specific scenario you describe therefore you would only have had an optimal attempt at ETT (upto 3 tries – but should be aiming to have best attempt at first try) & optimal… Read more »
Hi Nick and Scot, thanks so much for the clarificant. I have been in theatre and applied in theatre without it really being realised it was the vortex approach. LMA didn’t work, so out, face mask with guedel, didn’t work so quickly we decided in seconds to intubate, and the same came be applied in ED. Only thing is 3 tries with ETT and LMA FM each seems a lot for me! I would certainly be doing what u say with fibreoptic, or C-mac with d blade, or ILMA if my LMA Is saving the day then, certainly fibreoptic or… Read more »
Thanks Kim. Agree re number of tries. 3 is a limit but is not mandatory to achieve an optimal attempt. Aim is to have an optimal attempt in as few tries as possible.
Right, I’m expecting an EMCrit airway avalanche come July…
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Touché, Monsieur Nickson.
Have we settled on what you’re giving up for #FOAM-lent?
Can the good Doctor go three months without airway? Tough, very tough.
we shall see…
The better question is can I go three months without airway from you! LOL
blame Nickson!