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Scott Weingart, MD FCCM. EMCrit 308 – Risk Stratification and Treatment of Pulmonary Embolism (PE) 2021 – Is the PERT Wilted?. EMCrit Blog. Published on October 7, 2021. Accessed on April 20th 2024. Available at [https://emcrit.org/emcrit/pe-rx-pert/ ].

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Bo Thomas
Bo Thomas
2 years ago

At my little hospital we usually EKOS or half dose TPA for sub massive PE but we use the MOPETT trial protocol of TPA 10mg push followed by 40mg over 2 hrs. Is there a trial that uses the 50mg over an hour that is suggested here? Thanks

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Scott Gallagher
Scott Gallagher
2 years ago
Reply to  Bo Thomas

At our small/rural hospital, we have chosen the following lytic options for massive PE:

  1. Cardiac arrest: alteplase 50 mg over 2min
  2. Unstable: alteplase 20 over 2 min, followed by 80 mg over 2 hours
  3. Stable: 100 mg over 2hours.

I think TNK would be easiest in arrest scenario, such as I has few months ago, but pharmacy was most comfortable with alteplase.

Scott Gallagher

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Chris Colanero
Chris Colanero
2 years ago

Scott, in your experience have patients who fell into the massive super sick category responded similarly to the 50mg over 1hr vs peri-code 50mg over 5 mins? When the ICU docs at my hospital encounter these patients they favor giving lytics as fast as possible to attenuate the hemodynamic instability. Also any thoughts on using your 25mg over 6 hrs in the same massive sick category regardless on bleeding risk?

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James Caffrey
James Caffrey
2 years ago
Reply to  Chris Colanero

Huge saddle embolism ,no rv strain on cta ,trop slightly slightly elevated norm tacky to 110
My situation last night could not make it to end of podcasts despite being a long term member and signing up again Just gave 80 units/kg heparin and dripped. I am in an underserved critical access er no formal echo nvm but thanks finally made sign up stick

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James Caffrey
James Caffrey
2 years ago

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Nils Nickel
Nils Nickel
2 years ago

Hi! Great summary of the complicated PE universe.

Could you please comment on the hemodynamic stable, severely hypoxic patient?
What is your treatment approach? How much lysis do you give?
Thanks,

Nils

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Jakub Baszczuk
Jakub Baszczuk
2 years ago

I’ve encountered case reports about using a Swan-Ganz catheter as a way of catheter directed thrombolysis in high bleeding risk patients when commercial dedicated kits or personnel were unavailable. I personally think it is a great option to give low dose alteplase directly into pulmonary artery until we obtain evidence that periprheal low-dose infusions are noniferior. What do you think about it?
Also might be the best use for Swan-Ganz catheters in the bedside echo era.

Link to the case report:
https://www.annalsofvascularsurgery.com/article/S0890-5096(17)30675-1/fulltext

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don zweig
don zweig
2 years ago

Can you summarize when or if to use in card arrest. Pt arrives in ohca Presented as sob to ems no cpr started as they thought they felt carotid. Picis shows standstill with pea. The fem art looks like the vein. Pulsates with compressions but then is just flat. The rv looks not dilated but hard to tell. If you give a throbolytic who much longer do u have to do cpr?

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Scott
Scott
2 years ago
Reply to  don zweig

unfortunately right side pressures won’t discriminate
need to see DVT or strong history

would go 20 minutes after lytics

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Joseph Howton MD
Joseph Howton MD
2 years ago

Great information as always, thanks. I had an intermediate PE patient a few months ago. The intensivist was surprised and a bit critical that I wasn’t familiar with the Bova score. Have you found it to be useful? https://www.mdcalc.com/bova-score-pulmonary-embolism-complications

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don zweig
don zweig
2 years ago

thanks. Scott but the graphic doesn’t fit on one page. is there a trick or should I just print out on two pages or shrink 60%

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Cristina Sorlini
Cristina Sorlini
2 years ago

Thank you so much for the great summary, it is really really inspiring.
I have few questions for you (from an ED doctor perspective, Uk based):

  • In case of delayed CT scan with clear signs of RV strain (bedside echo): would you start fibrinolysis upfront or would you start anticoagulation awaiting for CT scan?
  • Re anticoagulants in candidate to fibrinolysis do you start it right after alteplase/tenecteplase? Do you check APTT beforehand?
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Igor Queiroz
Igor Queiroz
2 years ago

HI SCOTT THANKS FOR THE PODCAST AND SUMMARY. LAST WEEK, I EXPERIENCED A CASE THAT GENERATED DOUBTS, PATIENT WITH CHRONIC MYELOID LEUKEMIA IN BLASTIC CRISIS PRESENTED SEGMENTARY AND SUBSEGMETRY PE (IN ANGIOTOMOGRAPHY – HE WAS ABLE TO PERFORM), IN THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, PATIENT WITH SHOCK, POCUS WITH RV STRAIN SIGNS, THE SAME HAD A BLOOD GRAM WITH 360,000 LEUKOCYTES. SHE WAS THROMBOLYZED HOWEVER, AFTER 1 HOUR, EVOLVED WITH MULTIPLE CARDIAC ARREST, AND THEN TO DEATH DESPITE THE MEASURES. – ARE PATIENTS WITH BLASTIC CRISIS CANDIDATED FOR THROMBILISIS? – IN THIS CASE, DESPITE PLATELETS WITHIN NORMALITY, DO I CONSIDER A HIGH… Read more »

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