amateurs discuss strategy; experts discuss logistics
–Napoleon?
This Part I of the Mind of a Resus Doc Series, in which we delve into the philosophies that make a good resuscitationist.
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This topic really hit home. As a paramedic I’m big on logistics, and mainly trained in strategies. And the minute you started talking about it, I knew exactly what you mean. I’ve had many of the same thoughts while working in the ER and assisting with procedures. Now as a med student, I’m seeing this difference even more. I gotta say, one group that has mastered logistics (at least where I’m training) is the neurosurgeons in the OR. I shadowed them for awhile and all the residents and attendings seemed to know the logistical application of everything that was going… Read more »
Excellent podcast! One comment. I would argue that simulation can facilitate good logistics. In addition to its usual benefit of providing immediate reflective learning in the company of other resuscitationists, it can act as a rehearsal (not mental, but physical) to work through processes, find equipment, etc. There is a growing enthusiasm for simulation in-situ. You place the manikin in a resuscitation bed, present a critical patient, and have a multi-disciplinary team provide care using the equipment in your department rather than in a simulation laboratory or a few toys brought to an auditorium. They will have to make processes… Read more »
Henry-I absolutely agree. In-situ Sim seems an ideal way to tackle this.
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HI Scott could not agree more with you! ONly 3 days ago I helped out our retrieval registrar who was bringing in a lady with septic shock and renal failure from an outlying hospital 2 hrs flight away. I met the aircraft when it landed and when the doors opened the registrar looked a total wreck and promptly told me the woman was about to die! Anyway he had had to deal with two VT arrests inflight and was totally unprepared for running a code at 30000ft in the back of an aircraft with only him and a flight nurse.… Read more »
Minh, Perfect story for this post!
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Scott,
Agree that logistics is key! I imagine you are going to get into this but logistics also includes planning the future moves of the patient and what will be required to make those moves occur.
Mike
Proactive vs. Reactive is absolutely essential as you say
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Hi Scott- I´m an anesthesiologist/intensivist from Berlin and a new fan of your fantastic site. I´m also a sailor with some 30000 nm in my personal wake, and most of my “resus philosophy” comes from the concept of “seamanship”. When I have new crew on the boat, I teach them how to prepare for foul weather with a similar approach as you describe here. One thing that comes to my mind when I see the image of the resus bay that comes with the title of your show: When you prepare for a storm, clean up the cabin and make… Read more »
Scott,
This one is one of my favorites.
Cheers
Damon
thanks, Damon
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Absolutely amazing podcast that hit the homerun mark. I am with you. Please post more actual logistical procedure stuff that no one taught us. Things like how to set up and troubleshoot pleur-vac for chest tubes and how to set up pressure bags and how to operate infusion pumps, etc.
wow, you are working your way through them brother! YEs all those topic recs are great and I will do. –s
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