Hmm… he’s tasty, but he just needs a little salt
In this podcast, I discuss the management of hyponatremia in the ED. After reading countless articles from the nephrology literature…I can still attest that I have not a friggin’ clue about renal physiology. But I think I have found a simpler path to the work-up and treatment of low sodium in the ED.
When they are <130 is when I get a little worried
Step I-Send Lots of Labs
Here is what you need:
Serum-electrolytes, LFTs, osmolality, uric acid (if on diuretics), and you might as well send a TSH and cortisol as well (if you have any suspicion of an endocrine cause)
Urine-UA, urine lytes, urine urea, urine uric acid (if on diuretics), urine osm, urine creatinine
Want to learn more about FENa and FEUrea? Well I have an article for you.
Step II-Treat CNS dysfunction
If the patient is altered, comatose, seizing, or has neurologic findings, then raise the sodium by a little bit
Give 3% saline, 100 ml over 10-60 minutes (2 cc/kg up to a max of 100 cc)
10 minutes later, may repeat X 1
may be given peripherally through any reasonable IV
each 100 ml will raise sodium by ~2 mmol/l
Step III-Hang tight
Do not feel the need to do anything else, just fluid restrict the patient
Place a foley
Do not feel tempted to give NS
Do not be clever, just fluid restrict and admit.
Patients are at a fall risk with hyponatremia
Get a CT scan if they are still a little wacky
Remember the rules of 6’s (from the Stern article below)
Be incredibly careful when correcting hypokalemia, potassium repletion will raise the Na
Step IV-What to do when you couldn’t follow step III
dDAVP 1-2 mcg IV or SubQ x 1
Consult renal
Consider D5W 6ml/kg over 1 hour in consultation with renal if you have really screwed up
For more on this, see the Emergency Pharm D Blog
Additional Info
Drugs-Thiazides, SSRI, Sufonylureas, Opioids
1 liter of saline will allow a solute-low hyponatremia to make 6 L of urine
SIADH-need to get rid of a 600 mmol salt load/day. Can fluid restrict to 900 ml (400 insensible).
Articles
- Read this excellent case report from Stern
- Excellent Review by Schrier (Curr Opin Crit Care 2008;14:627)
- Review of Drug-Induced Hyponatremia (Am J Kidney Dis 2008;52:144)
- Understanding Lab Testing for Hyponatremia (Clin J Am Soc Nephrol 2008;3:1175)
- The hyponatremia formulas do not work so well (Clin J Am Soc Nephrol 2007;2:1110 and Nephrol Dial Transplant 2006;21:1564)
- Review of Hyponatremia
- Fantastic Review Article on Hyponatremia and SIADH
Additional New Information
We have completely changed our strategy to most severe hyponatremia to utilize a dDAVP Clamp Strategy.
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EMCrit 178 – A Better Management Strategy for Symptomatic Hyponatremia (dDAVP Clamp)
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Scott, Desmopressin (DDVAP), frequently used for nocturnal enuresis, Diabetic isipibitus and a certain type of Hemophilia in outpatient setting in a nasal formulation has a potential to cause hyponatremia.I am curious, in this acute setting. did you come across the mechanism of action? Excellent as always presentation!!!!
DDAVP is basically synthetic ADH (anit-diuretic hormone) without the vasopressor effects of vasopressin, so this drug just turns off the dilute urine production–more water retained, stabilization or slight drop in the sodium.
hey scott,
just wanted to say ur awesome for doing what you do and that you do it very well. and thanks for doing all this for free
Scott, I’ve described an interesting case of desmopressin-induced hyponatremia with significant neurological symptoms at a sodium level of only 125 mmol/L on LITFL: http://lifeinthefastlane.com/2010/03/laboratory-tester-003/ Some of my collegues were relectant to treat the hyponatremia – but the patient rapidly improved during hypertonic saline administration (then later on had a massive diuresis resulting in a big jump in Na… but that’s OK, it was acute). Overall, I think your approach is in keeping with my own limited understanding of hyponatremia… My one big piece of advice, to reiterate your own recommendations, is don’t be afraid of hypertonic saline – if your… Read more »
Love your Rule of 3s and it divides so nicely into the rules of 6s and so easy to remember.
So in a symptomatic patient you want 3 mls/kg over the first 30 minutes. Give half over 10 minutes; wait 10 minutes, give the other half over 10 minutes.
or
Give 3 ml/kg of 3% over 30 minutes, stop if the patient’s mental status improves.
Love it!
Wonderful presentation. 🙂 Going off to give you your 5 stars now!
thanks for listening!
Great podcast! I don’t really understand the reasoning for the cortisol. Wouldn’t this be the one test in your list that the floor team could do in the early morning hours the next day if it is still in the differential? I can’t think of any confounding effect of the ED treatment. I don’t know the exact pretest probability of adrenal insufficiency in a patient with hyponatremia in the ED, but in my experience it is uncommon. Sending a cortisol on every patient with hyponatremia, even if a common diagnosis such as thiazide induced hyponatremia is very likely, isn’t really… Read more »
agree absolutely. I think I said if you have clinical suspicion for adrenal insufficiency on the podcast and then followed with a clinical-acumen ruining comment that if you can’t bother to think this through, just send it. But you are absolutely right, we should strive to be good, not accept that we are sometimes bad–so corotisol only when you suspect adrenal insuff.
Agree with couch–probably if you have a good story for adrenal insufficiency, or at least hyponatremia and hyperkalemia, it would make sense, but that seems like a lot of cortisol levels. I also find that these patients come in, looking dry, and before you even get the sodium back, you’ve given them a liter of fluid. I don’t typically hear about bad outcomes after this. Also, I was curious what the actual incidence of osmotic demyelination is — I had heard that despite all our concern about sodium correction rates, it’s still pretty rare. I have a calculator for less… Read more »
Graham, despite repeated searching, i can’t find a good estimate of how frequently osm. demyelination occurs. Most articles just quote how many times it has been reported in the literature. I don’t think you will hear of bad outcomes until you have one, which may be once in your whole career. Most of these patients are not profoundly dehydrated so 1 liter of saline won’t do anything to their sodium. The calculator on the excellent MDCalc site relies on the Androgue Madias formula mentioned in the podcast. This formula will be inaccurate if the patient suddenly starts putting out a… Read more »
Thanks Scott, now I totally agree! A quote from a book (ISBN 9781416024422): (shortened) “appart form the rapid rise in P-Na due to a large water diuresis (wich can be due to increase of distal delivery of filtrate in volume depleted patients OR disappearence of ADH action in SIADH patients) the other major risk factors for developing osmotic demyelination are K+ depletion or/and malnourishment. Thus extreme care should be taken in such patients and the maximum rate of P-Na rise should be less (maximum level, not target level) than 4mmol/L/24h. If water diuresis should occur or the P-Na has risen… Read more »
Here are the risks listed in the Stern article:
? Chronic hyponatremia
? Serum sodium concentration <105 mEq/L
? Hypokalemia
? Alcoholism
? Malnutrition
? Liver disease
I think in the ED, just as you mention, the slower the better once the dangerous symptoms have been treated.
Thank you Scott for everything you do
Thanks for listening, Alex.
What if the hypertonic saline isn’t readily available in the ED? And the pharmacist is on break/lunch/administrative leave… What about using 7.5% sodium bicarb? Just a thought.
It is my feeling that 50 ml of sodium bicarbonate will work fine, but to my knowledge, no one has studied it for this use.
There is a paper supporting the use of bicarb for treating high ICPs: NEUROCRITICAL CARE Volume 13, Number 1, 24-28, DOI: 10.1007/s12028-010-9368-8 Sodium Bicarbonate Lowers Intracranial Pressure After Traumatic Brain Injury Chris Bourdeaux and Jules Brown Published online: 27 April 2010 Abstract Background Hypertonic saline is routinely used to treat rises in intracranial pressure (ICP) post-traumatic head injury. Repeated doses often cause a hyperchloremic metabolic acidosis. We investigated the efficacy of 8.4% sodium bicarbonate as an alternative method of lowering ICP without generating a metabolic acidosis. Methods We prospectively studied 10 episodes of unprovoked ICP rise in 7 patients treated… Read more »
that paper was what inspired me to think that NaBicarb is a valid alternative to 3%
Well iam resident in nephrology and my consyltant treated an elderly male with 300ml of sodabicarb and 700 ml of d5w infusion.Next his sodium was improved by around 10 meq,He has given me the task for finding the logic for above treatment.I think soda bicarb also works fine
NaBicarb is just hypertonic saline, so absolutely it will sub for NaCl
Scott I know this was an old article so I’m not sure you will even see this, but I had a case a couple of nights ago and relistened to your pod on this subject. I’m a flight nurse and my patients NA was I think 132 and it was a lab from early that morning and I was taking care of her at night. Her mentation stated to decrease some and I was suspecting the NA to be the cause. I was just woundering if there is a way to mix that 3% in the air? It was good… Read more »
As usual fantastic and practicle!! Thanks. I think you said 6cc of d5w instead of 6cc/kg in your talk.
don
Thanks, Don!
great podcasts … learn a lot from you…
I have never treat patient with two bolus of 100cc 3%NS. do you do this in seizure pt only or Na down to what level ?
ED physcian in Taiwan
but indicated Na Rise even in severe hyponatremia in 3hrs should be not more than 4 mmol/ l only …..?????
Patrick,
Only if seizure, coma, or altered mental status.
Scott
Hey scott, I am a field paramedic. What symptoms would lead you to think hyponatremia without labs, and what would be the best prehospital treatment? thank you for any replies.
No way to tell without a sodium level. The differential of altered mental status is too broad.
5 stars.
How many patients did I srew?. But I am sure your presentation will make me help patients.
Thanks
Swedan
Scott, how many (if any) bad cases have you seen from SSRI’s? I know you mentioned the number #1 cause, thiazides but I have heard the SSRI’s can be culprits in SIADH.
Thanks!
Thiazides and XTC are the big ones for us. Have not seen an SSRI yet.
what is the initial approach in hyponatremia?
thanks!
liz
huh?
Scott,
Enjoyed the talk. Do you have a protocol set up for hypertonic saline to be given via peripheral IV? I recently had a young patient with a sodium of 114 and a seizure. My pharmacy would not release hypertonic saline to me until a central line was in. Their logic was the osmolarity of the infusion was too high to even do 25 cc/hr of 3%.
As a pharmacist practicing EM this really ticks me off… when you’re talking about 3% or 5% hypertonic saline (I wouldn’t ever do 23.4% through a peripheral line). Also it depends on what constitutes a “young patient” (20 month-old or 20 year-old) and how good your iv line is (gauge, patency, etc). This is the situation where you can push sodium bicarbonate 8.4% (1 mEq/mL of Na+ & HCO3-; 2000 mOsm/L) – note that sodium bicarb is more concentrated (higher osmolarity) than 3% NaCl (1026 mOsm/L) or 5% NaCl (1712 mOsm/L). No one will ever question giving sodium bicarb 8.4%… Read more »
Thanks Emcrit.. wonderfull,concise thoughts
yesterday i came across one lady who developed seizure secondary to Na of 113.. 3% NaCl started by medical with v.low dose 60 ml over 3hrs.. later patient developed large urine diuresis (7 Litres).!! & Na rised to 125… fortunately patient did well
yes, this is the exact case that probably needs dDAVP and potentially D5w to moderate the sodium change from diuresis
Very great epidose and podcast overall. Thanks Dr Wingart!
glad you liked it.
thanks
Great podcast Scott.. as usual
My colleagues still stick to that Normal Saline, irrespective of the CNS symptoms..It gets very frustrating for me sometimes when I see a Na of 114 coming with seizures and 3% Saline is not given. I have been giving 3% saline via peripheral IV for 2 years now and trust me I have not seen even a single screwed up case..
Hope this podcast will bring in some changes
Lakshay
INDIA
If you can convince them to slowly push 1 amp of NaBicarb, it will be just as good.
Great podcast Scott.. as usual
My colleagues still stick to that Normal Saline, irrespective of the CNS symptoms..It gets very frustrating for me sometimes when I see a Na of 114 coming with seizures and 3% Saline is not given. I have been giving 3% saline via peripheral IV for 2 years now and trust me I have not seen even a single screwed up case..
Hope this podcast will bring in some changes
Hi Scott,
Wondering if you have a link to the reference giving 7.5% saline peripherally.
Thanks in advance!
-Melissa
go to severe traumatic brain injury chapter of crashingpatient.com under the trauma section
Hi Scott,
Another good argument to give 3% NaCl peripherally is the Osms are about the same as PPN.
Thanks!
Jill
and a lot less than sodium bicarb
Thoroughly enjoyed the pod cast and the references. Not sure if the thread is still active, but had a case of severe hyponatremia in an 89 year old after TURP procedure while on medical mission trip to Central America. We had no hypertonic saline and patient’s sodium was 105 and he was comatose. I suggested Sodium Bicarbonate and we gave 1/2 amp IV slowly. We put potassium in his IV and gave slowly. We restricted his fluids, gathered his family around him and had a prayer. One final suggestion was to place an NG tube and give some salt brine,… Read more »
yep, use of NaBicarb is brilliant in these circumstances when hypertonic saline is not available
reading the talk, again and again.. still learning lot of points here yesterday one patient with history recent start of thiazide for HTN, history of alcohol consumption, brought with delirium, agitation.. Na 105, Cl 62 K 4 HCO3 24 Ph 7.45 due to lack of ICU resources we were trying to give boluses of Diazepam received 10 ml of 3% NaCl + 500ml of 0.9% NaCl (this was random thoughts before trying to review the ideal dose).. repeated Na came 109 Cl 63 (after 4 hours) I wonder if we administered 100ml of 3% NaCl, what will be the rate… Read more »
correction :———-
10 ml of 3% saline (5meq) + 500ml of NS (75meq) total 80 meq .. Vs the 100ml of 3% (50meq)
seems traditional 0;9% saline boluses has higher amount of sodium!! i ‘m not sure how that wouldn’t work??
Hi Scott,
First and foremost, your awesome. Im a resident a UCSD and setting up a journal club soon. Playing with the idea of a few hyponatremia articles. I know you state the review by Schreir is excellent, just curious if you knew of any other articles that had came out in the last 3 years.
Take care,
Sebastian
Bravo! I enjoyed a lot listening to your podcast. Thank you Scott for sharing your knowledge. 🙂
Hey Scott, What would your suggestion be if you cannot follow your rules above… for example, had a recent patient, nl per ems at 10:30pm night before, found by her mother in bed, confused with vomit on bed, arrived awake, but gcs 9 and not speaking, completely altered. CXR showed likely aspiration and we had to give vanc/cefepime/flagyl, etc. My question is that a majority of these hyponatremic altered patients will need meds that come in NS and so you cannot avoid all of this as you have to treat them for sepsis or whatever. Her Sodium came back 111.… Read more »
dDAVP will allow this amount of fluid with minimal change in Na
Hi Scott,
I’m an ED registrar currently working in Fiji and have seen lots of severe hyponatraemia cases secondary to ‘Kava’, a root crop that they drink, that acts as a diuretic. Patients often present volume deplete with sodiums around the 100 mark and very altered. Your blog on how to correct hyponatraemia with bicarb was very helpful as we don’t have hypertonic saline here. However, my question is regarding how to approach the massive diuresis as these patients tend to poor out urine. Any advice welcome!!
great work!!
can’t find anything on the mechanism of kava hyponatremia. is there urine demonstrative of polydipsia?
Scott,
How’d you work out 100ml 3% Nacl equating to a 2mmol/l rise in serum Na?
1l hypertonic saline increases Na by 9.14mmol/l (Serum-solution)/(TBW% + 1) so 100ml should essentially work out to be just under 1mmol no?
Any recommendation for pre hospital??? Being a very hard field diagnosis I honestly think my first go to is a little fluids for most things I’m unable to diagnose with any bit of certainty. Obviously treatment of abnormal Vs etc but I feel EMS can harm these patients. On occasion I’ve though a differential Dx of hyponatremia based off Hx but I’m sure there are many more patients with this Dx I’ve missed too.