Aggressive palliative care is just as important as aggressive critical care in the ED. Sometimes we will be the first physicians to talk to a family about end of life issues, even if their loved one is terminally ill. Now that is not how it should be, but it just means that we must be just as skilled at family palliative care discussions as we are at floating a transvenous pacer. In this podcast, I discuss my vision of how to handle palliative care issues in the ED.
Step I-Identify potential comfort care patients
Step II-Establish goals of care
Either aggressive curative or aggressive comfort. Sometimes, you will decide with the family to a “trial” of critical care
Step III-Sign the Paperwork
Step IV-Maximize comfort
start a fentanyl drip
Consider glycopyrrolate or a scopolamine patch
Remember the concept of double effect
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Review-Palliative Care in the ED
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More on EMCrit
- EMCrit 165 – The Semantics of End of Life Discussions with Ashley Shreves(Opens in a new browser tab)
- EMCrit 93 – Critical Care Palliation with Ashley Shreves(Opens in a new browser tab)
- EMCrit 285 – More on Palliative Care Conversations in Resuscitation(Opens in a new browser tab)
- EMCrit 276 – The Rapid Code Status Conversation with Kei Ouchi(Opens in a new browser tab)
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Nassau University Medical Center
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Dena writes hi! thanks for the podcast, just a couple questions- if a patient does not have capacity to make decisions or assign a healthcare proxy, and a family member is at the bedside, but the family member is saying that the patient has a healthcare proxy for example, in california, and you cant get in touch with them, can you make the patient DNR>> according to the family member at the bedside? also, just to clarify, a non-health care proxy can ask that their family member be DNR, but not DNI… what if its a friend and not a… Read more »
Dr. Weingart, Please comment about “upstream” problematic issues of palliative and end-of-life care in the nursing home and how it may conflict with ED evaluation and care. If the patient is already DNR and would be an appropriate candidate for aggressive comfort care with any acute deterioration, why transfer the patient to the ED? Why hospitalize? Isn’t it most appropriate to carry out all therapies of comfort care (relief of pain and suffering, IV’s, antibiotics) at the nursing home? What about do not transfer and do not hospitalize orders? Once the patient is in the ED, I get the comfort… Read more »
Kyle,
You are totally correct, in a real health care system these patients would never be transferred and if I had more of a public health bent I would be fighting that fight. Unfortunately, that is not my bag, so I just deal with what comes through the door.
As to testing, I usually will avoid anything I can and then the admitting team takes it as far as they or their attending deems appropriate.
Scott,
How do oral/nasal airways and SGA’s fit into the picture w/respect to DNI?