Aggressive palliative care is just as important as aggressive critical care in the ED. Sometimes we will be the first physicians to talk to a family about end of life issues, even if their loved one is terminally ill. Now that is not how it should be, but it just means that we must be just as skilled at family palliative care discussions as we are at floating a transvenous pacer. In this podcast, I discuss my vision of how to handle palliative care issues in the ED.
Step I-Identify potential comfort care patients
Step II-Establish goals of care
Either aggressive curative or aggressive comfort. Sometimes, you will decide with the family to a “trial” of critical care
Step III-Sign the Paperwork
Step IV-Maximize comfort
start a fentanyl drip
consider glycopyrrolate or a scopolamine patch
Remember the concept of double effect
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Dr. Weingart,
Please comment about “upstream” problematic issues of palliative and end-of-life care in the nursing home and how it may conflict with ED evaluation and care. If the patient is already DNR and would be an appropriate candidate for aggressive comfort care with any acute deterioration, why transfer the patient to the ED? Why hospitalize? Isn’t it most appropriate to carry out all therapies of comfort care (relief of pain and suffering, IV’s, antibiotics) at the nursing home? What about do not transfer and do not hospitalize orders? Once the patient is in the ED, I get the comfort care goals, but what about testing (labs, CT, LP, etc.) as it relates to establishing the cause of an acute illness/condition in the decompensated DNR nursing home patient. How far will you go to establish a diagnosis? Thanks.
Kyle
Kyle,
You are totally correct, in a real health care system these patients would never be transferred and if I had more of a public health bent I would be fighting that fight. Unfortunately, that is not my bag, so I just deal with what comes through the door.
As to testing, I usually will avoid anything I can and then the admitting team takes it as far as they or their attending deems appropriate.
Scott,
How do oral/nasal airways and SGA’s fit into the picture w/respect to DNI?
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