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	<title>Comments on: EMCrit Podcast 14 &#8211; EGDT Tirade</title>
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		<title>By: Chris Nickson</title>
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		<description>Hey Scott, 

Great to hear your views and approach to EGDT. I agree with the need for aggressive resuscitation of the septic patient - with fluid, antibiotics, vasopressors (we&#039;re a &#039;norad/ norepi shop&#039; too) and adequate oxygen delivery being the mainstays - and, if nothing else, the Rivers paper deserves credit for bringing this into the spotlight.

However, the Rivers study itself is still a cause of concern for me - a single center study that has never been repeated as an RCT, with a very high mortality in the control arm (mid-40s%), and more recently the WSJ allegations about about methodological &#039;dodginess&#039; behind the scenes and concerns about conflicting financial interests (of which I&#039;m not sure what to make).

Most ICUs in Australia don&#039;t use CV02 monitoring, yet our mortality rates are substantially better than the Rivers study (ICU sepsis mortality around 20% these days, down from 34% in 1997) - different populations or something else? I&#039;m also uneasy about the blood transfusion phase of the Rivers protocol. Hopefully trials like ARISE and ProCESS will help clear up what actually works. In the mean time, I heed your call to resuscitate!

Cheers,
Chris Nickson
ED/ICU Registrar, Perth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Scott, </p>
<p>Great to hear your views and approach to EGDT. I agree with the need for aggressive resuscitation of the septic patient &#8211; with fluid, antibiotics, vasopressors (we&#8217;re a &#8216;norad/ norepi shop&#8217; too) and adequate oxygen delivery being the mainstays &#8211; and, if nothing else, the Rivers paper deserves credit for bringing this into the spotlight.</p>
<p>However, the Rivers study itself is still a cause of concern for me &#8211; a single center study that has never been repeated as an RCT, with a very high mortality in the control arm (mid-40s%), and more recently the WSJ allegations about about methodological &#8216;dodginess&#8217; behind the scenes and concerns about conflicting financial interests (of which I&#8217;m not sure what to make).</p>
<p>Most ICUs in Australia don&#8217;t use CV02 monitoring, yet our mortality rates are substantially better than the Rivers study (ICU sepsis mortality around 20% these days, down from 34% in 1997) &#8211; different populations or something else? I&#8217;m also uneasy about the blood transfusion phase of the Rivers protocol. Hopefully trials like ARISE and ProCESS will help clear up what actually works. In the mean time, I heed your call to resuscitate!</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Chris Nickson<br />
ED/ICU Registrar, Perth</p>
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